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Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.18 21:28:00 -
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Careful on that term printing isk.
Mining does not print isk and neither does station trading.
You can earn isk for your character doing these things but you are not printing isk. Just moving it around.
For an example of isk printing; Missions do print isk .
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Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.18 21:36:00 -
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Crimson Gauntlet wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You forgot that the max yield AFK isk printer should be able to do its job without ever undocking. ...but you already can print money without ever leaving the stations, it's called "station trading".  Seriously guys: Evil miner carebears ruining my game boo hu? Doesn't that get old at some point? No wonder nothing ever changes in this game... Station trading is a totally different kettle of fish, it's an unforgiving and brutal form of "clean" PvP, and can be hilariously expensive when you get it wrong This. There is actually risk of loss in station trading. Without us, there is no risk of loss whatsoever in mining. It's nothing but inflation. And as a firm, zealous believer in both the Code and in Capitalism, I will continue to fight both inflation and afk mining (which again, tantamount to botting/cheating) where ever I see it.
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms
and learn what inflation is in eve and what is not inflation in eve. |
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.18 23:46:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:What's mind boggling is your ability to contradict yourself. Either CCP wants high sec ganking, or they do not. There is no gray area that needs fixing. The safety system is already in place. They could, very literally, turn high sec ganking off tomorrow by engaging all safeties in high sec. Problem solved. There's nothing mechanically that would be broken by it. I'm not contradicting myself, CCP is... they change some things because of the sandbox, and they DON'T change some things out of the same reason. You think they have to have a clear opinion on sucide ganking? Well, they don't have one... except that it should not be profitable, that was already stated. ...but as I said, fruitless discussion, personally I hope they stop nerfing/buffing either side and move on to more important stuff ...and NO, I do not necessarily mean WiS. 
Well you are mostly correct. And I am more or less on your side. But what CCP really said back when mining barges were being buffd and retribution was rolling out was that:
Mining was supported by CCP as a game function.
Ganking was not it was a player derived, player invented gameplay.
Ganking was not meant to be supported as a profitable venture by CCP.
The fact that it was, was interesting to CCP and is always subject to change.
What you are saying is that CCP said ganking was not intended to be profitable and that is overstepping what they really said.
It is a fine distinction but it is still a distinction.
CCP also said they do want more player interaction in highsec.
This is their balance. Some like it some do not. And it could change more in the future. |
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.09.20 04:14:00 -
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unidenify wrote:I never understand why people don't bother to tank their mining barge
in right config on procurer (all T2). I can get over 100k EHP against Kinetic, Thermic, and Explosive.
Well its called isk tanking. But that is for people that can take a gank here and there.
And it requires a bit of higher math skills like maybe 8th grade math skills.
(reference are you smarter than a 6th grader TV show)
The tanked procurer is for the person that can not stand ganks at all.
And they probably will still get ganked just because of the tears it provides. |
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.09.20 19:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:According to CCP 75% of players reside in high sec. No. According to CCP, 65% of characters are in highsec. Also, 75% of players like PvP and 73% of players like nullsec gameplay.
Not quite true at least as of 2012 fanfest. 75% of the characters are in highsec.
But if you run a filter and take out all players under 3 months old then you get 65% of the remaining characters (over 3 months old) are in high sec.
They did this to demonstrate that players do move over time from high sec to low or null sec.
As both showed a corresponding increase after 3 months old toons are filtered.
Then they also compared what players like to do vs what they actually do do.
And those do not add up very well either. You are using their data to scew your point of view.
Players actually do a whole lot more PVE than they do PVP. Even though they say they like PVP better. |
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:06:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Hammer Crendraven wrote:Players actually do a whole lot more PVE than they do PVP. Even though they say they like PVP better. that's because you can lose isk a hell of a lot faster than you can make it. especially when you put it all in the back of a freighter.
I know the why of it. I am just saying if you want to use CCP figures do not scew the data to make your point.
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Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:23:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:You're the one "skewing" data. He stated the percentages of what people like to do or aspects of the game they like, which is what the chart shows if I remember correctly. You're the one who introduced what people spend more time doing.
Um no! watch the video at 9:57 into the video.
What do the players say they do.
31% do missions.
21% do mining
19% do PVP
How am I introducing something not documented? |
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:32:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Hammer Crendraven wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Hammer Crendraven wrote:Players actually do a whole lot more PVE than they do PVP. Even though they say they like PVP better. that's because you can lose isk a hell of a lot faster than you can make it. especially when you put it all in the back of a freighter. I know the why of it. I am just saying if you want to use CCP figures do not scew the data to make your point. but i spent 4 years at university to learn do just that. i'd hate for it to have been a waste of time and money.
lol yea so what marketing major? |
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:40:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Hammer Crendraven wrote:lol yea so what marketing major? no, statistics.
Ouch. |
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hammer Crendraven wrote:Not quite true at least as of 2012 fanfest. 75% of the characters are in highsec. EhGǪ those are the numbers from the 2012 fanfest. Quote:You are using their data to scew your point of view. Not really no. The data says that PvP is by far the most liked gameplay in EVE. This rather supports my point of view and goes against the oft-made implication that only a few players actually enjoy it. By the way, guess what's more important in drawing new players to EVE than its PvE gameplay? GǪ Its OSX client. 
Good point but if only 19% are actually doing PVP then how can the rest know they like it? |
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hammer Crendraven wrote:Good point but if only 19% are actually doing PVP then how can the rest know they like it? By doing it, but not to the extent where they feel it qualifies as what they GÇ£spend the most of their time onGÇ¥, or however CCP chose to formulate the question.
Just checking to see how full of sunshine you really are. |
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